David and Jonathan an inconvenient truth?

Dale A. Arnold

David and Jonathan an inconvenient truth?
Saturday, October 03, 2015


1 Samuel 20:41-42King James Version (KJV)

41 And as soon as the lad was gone, David arose out of a place toward the south, and fell on his face to the ground, and bowed himself three times: and they kissed one another, and wept one with another, until David exceeded. This small verse "Until David exceeded". Is where all this hangs on. Was David and Jonathan in love?  Let's us go back to the beginning of this .

David and Jonathan made and agreement. Because David feared that Jonathan"s father king Saul was trying to kill him. So they agreed. Jonathan would test the waters to see if indeed Saul was  trying to have David killed.  David would not attend the kings dinner and when the king asked about the whereabouts of David and did not get angry that Jonathan had given David permission to skip this dinner, then they would know that he was not trying to have David killed.

But he not only got angry, he became enraged! So enraged that he insulted his own son Jonathan. Accusing Jonathan of something he had a suspicion was going on between David and Jonathan.    "Then Saul's anger was kindled against Jonathan, and he said unto him, Thou son of the perverse rebellious woman, do not I know that thou hast chosen the son of Jesse to thine own confusion, and unto the confusion of thy mother's nakedness? He is accusing Jonathan of "chosen" David !


So Jonathan got up and stormed out in anger. And went out to meet with David in the place they agreed and did as they had agreed. He Jonathan brought a young boy with him to practice his arrow shooting at least that's what  the young boy thought. David and Jonathan had an agreement that when Jonathan shot the arrows and sent the boy to retrieve the arrows, that if he said to the boy behold the arrows are on this side of you then all is well . If I say to the boy that behold the arrows are beyond you. Then all is not well. And all was not well. Saul did indeed intend to have David killed. When the young boy retrieved the arrows Jonathan sent the boy back home. This is where 1Samuel 20:41-42 begins. Now what happens next makes a whole lot of people uncomfortable. Not so much the kissing and weeping. They can explain that away as a culture thing. But one verse. "until David exceeded".  They can't. Now this never raised my suspicion before until I saw this phrase was only found in the king James version of the bible. All the other translations just skip or totally just deleted this verse all together! I have five different translations and all but the king James have removed it! It doesn't make sense until you look up the Hebrew meaning of the word exceeded. exceed / gadal= To become large, To grow, become great or important ,make powerful. 2 to grow up, to be magnified, to cause to grow.( Causatively make) large. Do you see now why they  removed or deleted this verse? They could not say the word here (exceed) is talking about David's ascendancy to king here cause Jonathan died before David became king. Let me spell it out. They were kissing and weeping and holding each other and one thing lead to the another until David exceeded= became large(got an erection)! What they did with it? The bible like a good movie just fades out on the seen. They try to get around this by just ignoring it or by removing it. The bible is often very raw in its way. It sometimes makes people very uncomfortable with what is written. But nothing pisses me off more than men seeing fit to remove things from  scripture, in essence, hide stuff from us. This makes my blood boil!  "The translators of the Living Bible apparently could not handle the thought of two adult men kissing, so they mistranslated the passage by saying that the two men shook hands! This is somewhat less than honest. The original Hebrew text says that they kissed each other and wept together until David became large. The word which means "became large" in this passage is "gadal" in the original Hebrew. The same word is used elsewhere in the Hebrew Scriptures to refer to King Solomon being greater than all other kings. Some theologians interpret "gadal" in this verse as indicating that David had an erection. However, the thought of David becoming sexually aroused after kissing Jonathan may have been too threatening for Bible translators. They either deleted the ending entirely or created one of their own."B.A. Robinson.  Was David gay? No. He was probably bisexual. Jonathan probably was gay. Remember David had that steamy affair with Bathsheba. He slept with her and then tried to cover it up by having her husband killed. Yeah I know great guy huh? This thing between Jonathan and David started when Jonathan first laid ( no pun) eyes on David. "Now it came about when he had finished speaking to Saul, that the soul of Jonathan was knit to the soul of David, and Jonathan loved him as himself. 2 .Saul took him that day and did not let him return to his father's house.…". So much so that Jonathan took David to his tent. Then Jonathan made a covenant with David because he loved him as himself. Jonathan stripped himself of the robe that was on him and gave it to David, with his armor, including his sword and his bow and his belt. In other words he stripped naked and he wouldn't do this in public. When Jonathan died King David said of him""I am distressed for you, my brother Jonathan; You have been very pleasant to me. Your love to me was more wonderful Than the love of women". Now you need to understand what David is saying here. At the time in his culture men and women did not hang out with each other like we do today. The love of women was sexual. And the accusation that Saul made of Jonathan. " I know that you have chosen the son of Jesse to your own confusion, and to the confusion of your mother's nakedness. Uncovering the nakedness of a family member was a euphemism for incest in the holiness codes of the Old Testament, and Saul would not have used this phrase lightly. The implication is that Jonathan is bringing sexual shame on his family. As much as they will scream this is ridiculous! Why then is this verse done away with 1 Samuel 20 41"until David  exceeded"? What is it about it that makes them uncomfortable enough to change or delete? I find it strange that the people that find this to be like it's some kind of blasphemy to say that Jonathan and David had an affair. But it's some how doesn't bother them what this same man King David did at a time when he should have been leading his army. He stayed home and while on the roof of the palace he saw this beautiful woman(Bathsheba) wife of Uriah taking a bath and had her broth to his palace. He seduced her and impregnated her and then to cover his sin. Called her husband back from the battle to get him to sleep with his wife to cover the fact that the child was his. But Uriah would not sleep with his wife because he had to much honor and could not take pleasure while others were in battle. So David called him to his palace and give him a note to give to the general. The note ordered the  general to place Uriah at the front of the battle so he may die. But because this sin is heterosexual in nature they just quickly get past it. But God did not so quickly "get past it".

Again this shit pisses me off . They are quick to through bible verses around but when the bible says something they don't like.

They just simple ignore it, change it or just delete it all together!

So yeah I do believe that David and Jonathan were in love and were physical about it.